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It's true! Anyone can unlock the transformative power of NDE wisdom—WITHOUT having to die.

We are proud to have a VERY special guest on TDS with us this week: Please join the remarkable Antti Savinainen for a fascinating exploration of near-death experiences (NDEs) and the "Life Review at the Gate of Death":

This inspiring conversation explores: 
- How NDEs and life reviews can lead to profound personal transformation and self-reflection
- Gaining a deeper understanding of ethics and compassion
- The connection between NDEs and Ageless Wisdom
- The panoramic nature of life reviews and why it's crucial to recognize the impact of our actions
- Distinguishing between genuine and non-genuine NDEs
- The therapeutic benefits of life reviews
- Accessing the wisdom of these experiences without having an NDE

Contact Antti at: antti.j.savinainen@gmail.com

All the sources below are available online for free.
 
Pim van Lommel et.al. (2001). Near-death experience in survivors of cardiac arrest: a prospective study in the Netherlands. The Lancet, Volume 358, Issue 9298, p. 2039-204. Online at
https://citeseerx.ist.psu.edu/document?repid=rep1&type=pdf&doi=11181596b7dd91cc7b461781267908a03838e31c

 
Raymond Moody (1975). Life After Life. The 25th anniversary of the Classic Bestseller. Online at https://archive.org/details/raymondmoodylifeafterlife_201907/page/n1/mode/2up
 
Marjanen, J., Savinainen, A., and Sorvali, Jouko (2022). From Death to Rebirth. Teachings of the Finnish Sage Pekka Ervast. The foreword by Richard Smoley. Literary Society of the Finnish Rosy Cross: https://www.teosofia.net/e-kirjat/Pekka_Ervast-From_Death_to_Rebirth.pdf.
The audiobook version: https://youtu.be/NrOCnZGtL-I?si=kwcDLUJKM8oeAoB7. It is narrated by Scott R. Smith, directed by Audio Flow LLC.
 
Antti Savinainen and Tommi Tolmunen (2023). Dawning of the Clear Light: A comparison of The Tibetan Book of the Dead with Theosophical teachings on the afterlife. Fall 2023 issue of Quest magazine. Online at
https://www.theosophical.org/publications/quest-magazine/dawning-of-the-clear-light-a-comparison-of-the-tibetan-book-of-the-dead-with-theosophical-teachings-on-the-afterlife
 
Antti Savinainen (2023). Afterlife Stages in the Mahatma Letters. Theosophy Forward e-magazine:  https://www.theosophyforward.com/afterlife-stages-in-the-mahatma-letters

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There is research evidence that people who do read these life review accounts, their lives is changed as well. They are affected by it. And that is something which I find very hopeful and very comforting because you don't have to die to reap the benefits from this research.

Welcome everyone to that death show. name is Anne and with me not only is the one and only Tim Wyatt, but today is a very special show. A very special show. is Antti Savinainen and a topic you do not want to miss the life review at the gate of death. Antti Savinainen is a physics instructor, all right, from Finland, who has been a dedicated member of the Finnish Rosy Cross since the 1980s. He is deeply inspired by


and a dedicated student of the ageless teachings. He actively serves as chair of his lodge and he believes that theosophy, the perennial philosophy, offers a profound way of ethical living and it's a meaningful way to live, emphasising compassion and service to humanity. He is an accomplished and prolific writer. He's published countless articles on theosophy and anthroposophy and for Antti,


Pekka Ervast's The Divine Seed holds a very special place in his heart. Antti works effortlessly and dedicated to get these teachings out into the modern world where they are so desperately needed. This is selflessness, empathy, compassion, understanding. We share a very similar ethos with Antti. And we often say here, Antti, and those of you listening and viewing, you don't have to die to have the wisdom earned from a near death experience.


Antti, as you know, there is incalculable interest in the media coverage on near-death experiences now. It's huge since Raymond Moody's 1975 life after life. And one of our favourite subjects to talk about here is how synonymous many of these NDEs, the genuine NDEs are with theosophy or the perennial philosophy. Can you elaborate on this for us, please?


Yes, thank you, and for your kind induction. And this ND research is one of my favourite topics in Theosophy. And the reason for that is that it does convey some eternal truths, which we can learn from Theosophy as well. And it's especially interesting to compare the stories provided by those who are near death or have died for some couple of minutes even and then are coming back and with



the descriptions found in theosophical literature, which come much earlier than any scientific research paper, which was in 1975 the book and some research papers appeared before that. But that is only, it's almost 100 years before we have a first theosophical account. And it's in the Mahatma letters in 1882. There is one such


description which predates it, which has been published in English. It was published in 1847. A British naval officer was about to drown and he described what he went through in his experience in the very same way as we can find in later descriptions as well as in Theosophy. May I read a small passage from that?



Though the senses were thus deadened, not so the mind, its activity seemed to be invigorated in a ratio which defies all description. For thought rose as a thought, with a rapidity of succession that is not only indescribable but probably inconceivable, by anyone who has not himself seen a similar situation.


Thus, travelling backwards, every past incident of my life seemed to glance across my recollection in rhetoric for succession. Not, however, in mere outline, as Hugh stated, but the picture filled up with every minute and collateral feature, ensured the whole period of my existence seemed to be placed before me in a kind of panoramic review.



Beautiful. Thank you for that. Thank you very much. They've been happening since the beginning of time. Tim, your thoughts on that about how synonymous the NDE's, the genuine NDE's are with the ageless wisdom.


Well, of course, in recent decades, these have become much more frequent because medical science has advanced and is able to keep people alive who previously wouldn't have made it. Therefore, there's a lot of research gone into these. And as Antti points had in his excellent article at the Gateway of Death, there are many similarities between these particular experiences and what the


ageless wisdom teachings talk about. mean, people often talk about going through a tunnel or a passage and emerging into the light and perhaps being with wise beings. And although there are many differences and although the life review that they undergo, sometimes it's from childhood to adulthood, sometimes it's the other way around, sometimes it all happens at once simultaneously. So I think it's interesting to look at the similarities.


in these particular experiences.


Absolutely. Thank you so much. Antti, I wanted to ask you, who is it, we're told that we will be held accountable as you sow, so shall you reap, we will be held accountable for our deeds and actions and everything. Who is it in this life review, in your understanding and esoteric science, who is it that does the judging?



Well, it's the person himself or herself, not just the personality, but the higher self or the light within which can judge things, what has happened and deeds and words and actions and everything basically from an objective point of view. Because it's kind of a divine principle that lives in us, not typically consciously in everyday life, but only has some spark which come true. But in that specific situation, then it's


alive and active and helps the person to see what has gone wrong and what has been correct in their lives. So, Pekka Ervast puts it quite beautifully when he says that the light of the review takes place in the light of the higher self, which is the divine and immortal as theosophistic.


And so what this means effectively is that in a great many cases, the soul is being judged by itself. It's not always the case that there is some god on a throne or some other personage who's going to say, you go this way to hell or you go this way to heaven. It's not about that. There are higher forces here. There are the Lords of Karma. But I think in this life review, it's the soul's self-reflection on their actions and words.


and how they have affected other people because often in these life reviews, as Antti points out, it's the effect that these things have had on other people, which is the predominant way that they are perceived during the life review.


We're gonna be talking more about that, about the effects, cause and the effects. But I did want to not gloss over the panoramic. You mentioned, Antti, a panoramic nature of these life reviews. Some people say it's like being in an IMAX theater. It's happening quickly. It's at the same time, but it covers all the life. Is it possible, could you give, from what you've studied, a little example of what it might look like or feel like for someone who is experiencing a panoramic?





It seems that if there are different variations of how a person might see this, but if it's really panoramic, it is that all these incidents in life are available at once at the same time. So in a way, you could imagine that the person is experiencing as if the person were swimming in the sea of those memories, but they are alive. They are not just dead pictures, but they are alive and the person can access any of them


And it seems that there are some people access them from the very beginning of the life to the end. Some experienced them from the present back as was in that earliest case from 1847. And some people experience some highlights. It depends on the nature of the NDE what takes place. But it's panoramic in a sense that I think the best way to have an idea is


what you just told about this specific cinematic theatre which allows you to see everything. But it's more than that.


Much more, Tim.



Well, in the physical world, we obviously see time as linear going from the past through the present flowing on into the future. But once we get into realms beyond the physical, the etheric and astral realms, time doesn't apply anymore. that sense, linear time, it's more a question of an eternal present. And we're able to see all these events.


But because we are conditioned as human beings, we do tend to see things either from the beginning to the end or from the end to the beginning. And I think this is why there is a discrepancy of this. And once we do get into these beyond physical realms, we are able to see many events all compressed into this eternal present. At least that's the way I would see it.


And again, we want to reiterate, you don't have to die to have the wisdom gained in a near death experience. That's one of the reasons that we're doing this show. And there's lots of stuff online. AI has now made it absolutely insane. They're taking the teachings and they're having AI read this stuff back. And this has been around forever. Again, as Antti's talking about these accounts coming in from the 18th century, they've been around since the beginning of time. I don't know.


If people have been brave enough to share them, they've been dismissed as brain issues or oxygen deprivation or the release of neurotransmitters. Eben Alexander's work, a neurosurgeon very recently, breaking that and bridging that gap, but he's still dismissed as a heretic nowadays. But there's lots and lots of interest. And that's fantastic to me. That means they're leading towards these ageless wisdoms, which means people can apply them. And therefore we can...lead towards that life of compassion and understanding. The law of cause and effect, of balance, as you do, so shall you reap. Antti, I wanted to ask you about this. As we have been understanding in the near-death experience, we see and experience our actions and thoughts from the other person's point of view, how we affected them. And it's also taught that we will then experience that in a future lifetime as they were affected by our actions.



Some NDE's have said that it isn't just how the effect was, but it's amplified for the lesson. And it's good things too. It's not just the bad things. It's the good things and it's the small things. Could you explain a little bit about that cause and effect feeling of everything we do, we will experience the effects of, please.


Thank you for asking that. think that is the key thing in the NDE Live Review because that is what really makes a connection with our lives at the moment. So it's not just what happens after, but it's really about what we are doing right now. I could again read a few brief passages from the experiences. So, I saw how acting or not acting rippled in effect towards other people and their lives. It wasn't until then that I understood how...


each little decision or choice affects the world. This is very important. This is something that everyone can do. If you go to a shop or if you just pass by a person in street, you may have a compassionate look or kind of a kind thought or a smile or glance or something like that. They all have an effort. It's the little things which matter. It's not


always necessarily grandiose acts or something like that, which of course they are good as well, but it's little things. Imagine how much you can do little good things, even everyday life and meeting people and really listening to what they have to say and even small contacts. So, I find this very fascinating and to be honest, I have tried to apply it in my own life. I typically listen to something, for instance, that Dead So podcast when I'm doing


These are ordinary things in, for instance, sub. Then I stop it and then I want to say something to the person taking my money or whatever, just saying hello or whatever, because I try to make it work in real life, at least to some extent.



Well, I think that's all we really can do is that we feel so helpless. We can't make anybody else absorb these teachings. We can become them. And by becoming them, that's how we change the world. That is so beautifully said. Thank you, Antti Tim. Your thoughts on that, please.


Well, near-death experiences happen obviously to everyone, despite their age, sex, culture, gender, background, etc. etc. They happen to deeply non-spiritual people, but in many, many cases, people emerge from these near-death experiences transformed as individuals. The classic case is Dr. Eben Alexander, who didn't have a spiritual bone in his body, didn't believe in all this kind of mumbo-jumbo.


But he knew that his brain had shut down for that week when he had meningitis and he knew that consciousness was operating in some other realm. There have been many other cases where greedy and selfish people who are just out for themselves had these near-death experiences and come back transformed. They often completely change their profession, give away their money and start doing good deeds for other people because these are very, very spiritually transformative experiences in met not in every case but in a great many cases the research shows that they do have this profound effect.


If everybody understood that everything that you say and do and even think will be experienced by you as it is felt by others, imagine what a just and more compassionate society we would have. It would be the ultimate law and order. It is the ultimate law. It is the golden rule. But if we only understood that, I think we think that the sages just said, you might wanna be good to each other. But no, this isn't an essential rule on how to live because as you sow, so shall you reap in every possible way, not just in the life review, but in a physical body as it was done to them.


So, there is one aspect which I like very much and it's about how we also affect not just to other people but plants, animals, trees, water and air. Here is one little passage which I'd like to read. For me, it was a total reliving of every thought I had ever thought, every word I had ever spoken and every deed I had ever done. Plus the effect of every each thought.


word and deed on everyone and anyone who had ever come within my environment or sphere of influence, whether I knew them or not, including unknown passersby on the street, plus the effect of each thought, and deed on weather, plants, animals, soil, trees, water and air. animals are close to my heart as well as nature and so that is something which makes me smile because it's amazing that we are just eventually one life.


all the sentient beings are part of one great life and that's one of the great teachings of theosophy as well in many religions.


Beautiful. Working in harmony with nature. We are all connected. It's all the same stuff. If we understood that and lived it. Tim, your thoughts?



Well, this is a fundamental point, isn't it? That the universe consists of one life, one consciousness, but differentiated into many different forms, many different classes, many different divisions and kingdoms, some of which we're aware of, some of which we're not. And so, if you injure any part of that life and even if you injure it just mentally, then it does have an effect. People think their actions


don't count, that their thoughts and their emotions don't count, but they all send out ripples into the universe and those ripples come back eventually to have their effect. And that's inescapable. And when people start to remember this, over time, they will begin to behave very differently to each other, to the animal kingdom and to the physical structure of the world, I would hope.


Thoughts of living forces choose them wisely, perfectly said, Tim, thank you. Antti, not all NDE's that we see online, and there are so many, more and more and more and every day, not all of them are genuine. There's a few times I'll be listening, I'm like, oh, I can tell, that's spin. They're spinning it towards a certain religion to be able to say, obviously I saw whatever God insert here, therefore that was right. From my understanding, that's just, they're experiencing what they knew on earth. Can you elaborate on


possibly how our viewers and listeners can discern between genuine and not so genuine NDEs. If you can, please.


It may be a hard thing to do because I suppose that some religious people might actually feel that they have met Jesus and I want not to say that Jesus could be met. And typically afterwards they might interpret what they've seen and felt during that time from the lenses of their religion. However, there are situations in which someone has converted to Christianity, but realise at the same time and all other religions, great religions are fine as well, but because he just happened to meet Jesus instead of Maud has a, he felt drawn to Christianity. But I listened to one interview where he said that this is the way he must tell because he wants to be honest that it's not just the Christians. So it may be that perhaps people are not really lying, but they are afterwards interpreting or understanding their experience in the light of their religion or the religion they just recently found. Perhaps others have kind of helped them to see things in that light.


That's okay, they can have that, why not? Because their lives have changed as well.


That's true. remember, whatever you see, it's a reflection of this particular life, your understanding of what the divine would be. It can be Jesus, it can be Buddha, it can be Muhammad, it can be whatever it is for you.


and our religious beliefs certainly shape our physical life here on the material plane. And I imagine that they also heavily affect what happens to us in the immediate time after we die. We move on eventually to the astral plane and how we visualise that because it's a subjective area, it's not an objective world like the physical one.


our beliefs are probably going to shape our afterlife journey to a greater or lesser extent. A fundamentalist preacher who believes in the devil and hell and flames and all that sort of stuff, it may be a self-fulfilling prophecy and that's exactly what they do see after death. People who believe that nothing at all is going to happen after death, well, that may be the case for a while. So, I think these preconceptions are very much influential in shaping our perception and consciousness of what happens in these situations and they are going to be coloured by religious and cultural and other beliefs as well.


That's a very good point, Tim, is that some of the Indies, they're not all sunshine and rainbows. Some of them do start off in darkness and some of them actually have a hellish experience. Even Eben Alexander talked about the earthworm and this forever time in darkness or uncertainty. So I wondered what is your understanding there, Antti, in your studies about the near-death experience that...


The ones that I have listened to, go through the darkness and then they come out into the light. So they have kind of like a better get your poop in a group, better get your crap together while you're here. And so they go through the darkness first before they go straight to the tunnel to the light. Can you expand a little bit about these perceived negative near-death experiences as Tim was talking about, please?


There are indeed experiences which are not pleasant at all. And they seem to be happening for people who have tried suicide, for instance, or might have had a drug abuse or overdose, or sometimes they might have had a great fear of death. the feeling with their left bodies was fear and terror. And that seems to be one guiding factor which may


initiate this unpleasant experience. And sometimes there may be some ordinary people who don't and it's hard to tell why it happened. But they are in the very minority of the experiences. Some research suggests that it's one to two percent of the cases which have been documented. It may be that it's a bit higher because people are perhaps more reluctant to talk about these negative experiences when compared to positive ones, even though not many people are willing to share their views so freely even if it's a positive case. But from theosophy I've learned that when a person leaves their bodies, what goes on when they go to the astral plane, they will go through all the stages, all the phases, but since their consciousness has no correspondence with this lowest level, typically they don't see them at all because there's nothing which would


link them to that. It may be that sometimes a person leaving for some accident or whatever, it might be that there is some slink or something which arouses their interest or something which arouses their tension, which leads them to there. This is my understanding that we all go through those unpleasant places or states, perhaps states of mind, but we don't see them if there is no correspondence within us.


What I would say, and it's something we say often on that death show, is that fear is the big killer when it comes to death. And this is one of the things that we try and do on this show is to, as far as it's possible to do it, to remove the fear of death because it still remains many people's greatest fear because of various forms of conditioning. They either think it's annihilation or they might go to some horrible place that's been described by Christian fundamentalists as being like purgatory or hell and where things are deeply unpleasant. But clearly unpleasant things do happen on the astral plane. It's not like some particular paradise for people who have reached a certain degree of spiritual evolution. There is a state after the astral known as the mental world or the heaven world or as they call it in the East.


Devachan, the land of the gods. So there is that world, but the intermediate world may be a deeply unpleasant place where people do have to face up to the consequences of their life on earth. And if you've worked in a concentration camp, if you've been a vivisectionist, if you've been a mass murderer, I don't imagine that the after death experience is going to be entirely pleasant.


think about that a lot when I look at our world, when I think of people building up all of this negative karma from selfishness, cruelty, horrific cruelty, thinking that this life is the only one and that they're going to get away with murder. No one gets away with anything. Everything is balanced out in the law of karma and equilibrium. My God, my God, my God. And only when I understood later in my life, I'm in my late 50s, and only when I understood, dear God,


Karma is not just a thing that happens here and now. It's not lightly taken. is the law of laws and it's just so important. Thank you for that, Ten. Antti, you mentioned Dr. Raymond Moody's concept of the life review as a one-minute psychotherapy. Can you elaborate on the potential therapeutic benefits of understanding the life review process? How important it is that we take these indies? Why are they coming through now? Why is it important to know about them?


Yes, people who experience it, their lives change dramatically. They start driving towards goodness and compassion and they have strong urge to be honest, never tell a lie. And they try to keep their promises. So this is quite a common theme. And that's probably why Dr. Raymond Moody coined that nice term, one-minute psychotherapy, because one understands oneself much better after that, seeing all the good things and all the not so good things.


and realises what is essential in life. It's striving towards to be a better person and better friend and better neighbour and better husband and whatever the role we are playing in our lives. So in that sense, it's very effective. And even sometimes people who have been associated with crime or just what Tim referred to earlier on, just getting more money, they have changed their lives completely. So this is very nice. And there is research evidence that people who do read these life review accounts, their lives is changed as well. They are affected by it. And that is something which I find very hopeful and very comforting because you don't have to die to reap the benefits from this reset.


Well, interestingly, when they first started doing hypnotic regression into past lives in the 1950s, the initial reason that this was done was for therapeutic reasons. People had inexplicable illnesses which couldn't be diagnosed even by experts. But when people went into hypnosis and started discovering these past lives, they often saw


the original cause of the trauma which is playing out physically in this life and simply realising it often had a hugely therapeutic effect on people. And so that was one of the principal reasons that it was used. And some people went through remarkable cures where medical science in its conventional form had been unable to make any improvement or intervention at all.


Thank you, yes. And I was thinking that as we're watching these NDE's come through, there was the Anita Moorjani, have Evan Alexander, there's some really, really big ones. But I see the NDE, Antti and Tim, I see it as a report card, period. I don't see people who have an NDE being more spiritually elevated. I think they're really lucky to get a report card because it helps them. I would love to have a report card like that, but you can get the report card.


By looking at these teachings. We call them the ageless wisdom, theosophy, anthroposophy, wherever you're gonna start, just look and you can find them. They're all aligned, they're all absolutely free. And just because somebody did have a near death experience, we tend to idolise people and the messenger. That's just what humanity does. But it's a report card and that's my understanding. So through your experience, both of you.



How would you say, because I always say, well, look for it online. How would you say, you would listen to that death show, go to the links that are here or start anywhere. How would you both say that those who are listening and viewing, how could they, if they want to have the wisdom from a near death experience, where do they begin? How do they start? And let's give them some actual factual information on how to do it.


Well, if you are scientifically inclined like I am, as after all, I'm a science and physics teacher, you might start with Pim van Lommel's research group, the Lancet paper from 2001. And the Lancet is the second best medical journal on the planet and it's only four pages long. But it very nicely and scientifically describes the findings of perhaps the best study conducted so far. It was longitudinal and it had


rate almost 400 people who had near-death experiences. And then it had this prospective aspect, which is very important in medical research. If it's retrospective, it's something which happened in the past, but they took everything. Everyone who came to hospital had a heart attack and started to following them up. People remembered how they didn't remember what happened to them during the time when they were dead, clinically dead, is.


So, it might be a good place to start and Pim van Lommel has a nice book about this, Consciousness. It's by some other book, it doesn't really matter which describes, if it's written by a scientist, if you want to look a bit more objective perspective. Then again, if you are not that scientifically inclined, you might look for a nice theosophical presentation of theodethic experiences or death in general. For instance, I was...


I was playing a part in publishing a book on Pekka Erevast's teaching, From Death to Rebirth. You might start from there. It's only about 100 pages easy to read. And I think it might give you persons some insights and some hope. And there are many other books as well. Or you might go on YouTube and just write down your experiences to find reasonable and very insightful and moving descriptions.


All this is free, so you don't have to pay for anything.


Tim, what are your thoughts? Where can they actually tactically start if they're just beginning and they go, I want that wisdom from a near-death experience. Where do I start? What's your opinion?


You can do a lot worse than read Dr. Raymond Moody's books because he's the grandfather of all this. He's the godfather of it all. There are many other books, Pym van Lommel as well and other early researchers. But there is so much of it now. think you have to, on the one hand, be open-minded as to what's there, but at the same time, you have to discriminate against some of these things because as you rightly pointed out, people do use them.


to propagandise for religious reasons. And I think when people start doing that, these experiences become less authentic. But generally speaking, know, religion doesn't seem to always play a part in this. And many of the studies have shown that as soon as people have gone to the other side and returned, they are in many, many cases transformed for the better.


they've become spiritually opened in some way, in a way that perhaps they weren't prior to that.


The discovery of theosophy, that was my introduction into it, the discovery through the writings of William Walker Atkinson. There are free texts on this channel, on the YouTube channel, Light on the Path, Voice of the Silence. The Fourteen Lessons are all there. I just felt so overwhelmed when I “met” them, when I found them, and then I applied them and I became them to the best of my ability. And it's not just a finished project, it's always in process. So, I apply them in my daily life through the trials, through the good calm times. I apply them and I try to become them. And I will tell you that life does, even though there's still drama, it's easier to navigate. And when these people come back and there were this feeling of compassion, I have that too. can feel that to work in harmony with nature, to love one another, that you're not separate, the great heresy, you are not separate from one another. So, Antti, Antti Savinainen and everyone, Antti, I know you're on Facebook.


But how else can we find you if somebody is watching and they want to know more about you? I will put links down below. But please let us know where we can find you if people want more Antti in their lives.


Well, I have an email address which you could share with someone who watches the show. not? There's one more thing which I'd like to add to this discussion. it's about that people often think that ethics is something which you can choose or not. You can choose whatever ethics you like. But people generally believe that you can't choose the laws of nature. You can't change the gravitation of force.


if you wish to do so. People intuitively understand this, even if they didn't understand how it works. Then again, if you take a look at what these scientific research and the experiences and what the philosophical teachings are telling us, ethics is as part of laws of nature as any physics law. So, it's not something which some person 2000 years ago came up with or what Buddha just came up with by whim, but it's something which they perceive, they experience from the very fabric of the cosmos. I find that very fascinating and comforting thank you so much. Tim, any final thoughts?


Well, I would absolutely echo what Antti says because I've just written a piece which is on my sub-stack space, the Esoteric Perspective, and it's called Elusive Ethics. It's about how ethics and morality have increasingly in the modern age become elastic and fluid, and there is this kind of moral relativism which has taken over and people are more and more divorced from those fundamental laws of the universe, as Antti says, can't be changed. And if we stray away from these laws and we say, oh, well, it's okay to do this or to do that, then this is a very, very dangerous direction in which humanity is taking because morality has been stripped out of people's lives to a very, very large degree. It's looked on as very old fashioned, a bit quaint something that your grandmother would have liked but is not relevant for the modern age. It's absolutely relevant to the modern age and it's at the heart of everything a spiritual person should be about.



You don't have to die to have the wisdom brought back from the near death experience. It's here for you in these texts, in these videos. It's free. You don't pay for it. You apply them. You become them. You visit them again and again and again and just absorb them. It's a way to live. I look at these teachings as like a handbook for life. It's like life's instruction book. So we're all going to die, but death is not a tragedy, nor is it fatal, final or permanent.


Antti, thank you, thank you, thank you for being with us today. We would love to have you back as often as you'd like. And thank you for your support online too. It's a new podcast. We've only been doing this for a little bit of time. We're cutting our teeth. We're learning a lot. We also tell you about the Substack that goes hand in hand with the show. It's called The Esoteric Perspective. Tim was just talking about it. If you love what you get here on that death show, please check it out. It's absolutely free. The link is down below. Also the movie, the film, The Myth of Death.


which came out in summer. Antti, thank you for your review on that as well. That's the reason we're sitting in these chairs right now. You can watch that for free on our YouTube channel as well. It is smashing it at film festivals. Please check it out, The Myths of Death. It is the most comforting film about death I have ever seen in my life. And I'll stand right by that. I'll die on that hill. I will die on that hill, BUT it's not a tragedy. So remember to like, subscribe, share, comment, rate, review, whatever you can.


We see the numbers going up. We're heading towards 7,000 on YouTube and we're gonna get hopefully a thousand downloads over on the audio. Thank you. We love you. Next week on that death show, our focus will be black magic, evil, machines, evil within the machines, evil entities in machines and death. I love you both. Thank you for being here. I love you all. We'll see you next week. Thank you, Antti! 


Thank you and goodbye.



Thank you for this opportunity. It's interesting that I've never met you in person, but I feel that you are my very good friends. And we are. Isn't that wonderful that we have this technology which allows us to correspond? It's quite amazing.


I get that feeling too.


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