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Edi Bilimoria EXPOSES the TRUTH About Consciousness After Death!

• Tim Wyatt and Anne Kelly • Season 1 • Episode 14

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We are delighted to have our dear friend "Dr. B"  -   Edi Bilimoria join us for a thought-provoking discussion on death, consciousness, and the nature of existence. Explore esoteric teachings on the afterlife, the journey of the soul, and the interconnectedness of all beings. Gain insights into how understanding death can enrich life and discover the role of consciousness in shaping our reality

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Anne - THAT DEATH SHOW (00:00.761)


Welcome everyone to that death show. I'm Anne Kelly and with me is not only my ridiculously talented co-host, esoteric author, Tim Wyatt, but today we've been talking about it and we're very excited to have the one and only Dr. B with us. Ladies and gentlemen, Dr. Edi Bilimoria is with us today. Welcome Edi to that That death show. How are you today?


Edi Bilimoria

And I'm recovering from Christmas, if I can put it that way. 


Anne - THAT DEATH SHOW

For those of you who don't know who this is, we talk about him all the time here on that death show. Edi's background is in engineering. He's also a dedicated and lifelong student of theosophy, the perennial philosophy. I personally love working with these two. I talk about them a lot. And you know why is because I often describe that they are as very as near ego free.


as anyone can be. They work tirelessly and selflessly to get these ancient teachings out into the world without pompousness or exclusivity in loving service to all beings, allowing the spotlight to remain on the teachings, not their personalities. So Edi is very pure of heart, very pure of heart. Edi is a safety and an environmental engineer who has worked on projects like the London Underground and the Channel Tunnel. That's between England and France. For anybody who doesn't know, it's a very big deal. He brings a very


Edi Bilimoria

Hahaha


Anne - THAT DEATH SHOW

He brings a very strong scientific foundation to the exploration of consciousness. His recent award-winning, and we always talk about it here. Okay, here it is. I'm gonna show you here. This is an award-winning, highly praised four-volume set that came out in 2022. This is a magnum opus over a thousand pages. It is called, Unfolding Consciousness, Exploring the Living Universe and the Intelligent Powers in Nature and Humans. It has inspired countless presentations, book studies, and shorts on this channel.


alone as well as many podcasts and now even films across the world. So last year, Edi and Tim got together, they did, and they were working on a forthcoming book, which is very, it's a very exciting thing because it's called, Consciousness Came First, Revealing Evidence from Mind Beyond the Brain. It's a condensed version of Unfolding Consciousness, and it is reducing the massive 670,000 words. You heard that correct.


Edi Bilimoria

Mm-hmm.


Anne - THAT DEATH SHOW

down to just 80,000. It's gonna be published in paperback, ebook and audiobook by Collective Ink. It's coming out in December. Now, both titles are a must read for any and all of you who are interested in the deeper mysteries of life and consciousness and the perennial philosophy. And we always include links to both Tim and Eddie's books here. So we have a discount code. If you want this four volume set, all right, this four volume set, we have a discount code. You can save 25 pounds or $25 right now if you order through the Shepherd-Wallwyn website.




Anne - THAT DEATH SHOW

All you have to do is type in capital letters. I want my copy with an exclamation mark and you will save 25 pounds today. You are welcome. Now, Edi believes that spirituality is not confined to quiet retreats or simple study or through memberships to societies and organisations, but it is to be applied and lived a part of everyday life. And Eddie, our Edi is also a brilliant, a brilliant pianist.



Anne - THAT DEATH SHOW

He's a choral singer and a passionate glider pilot. He does it all. And we all three often work together. I do my best to help them get their teachings out into the world. So I do PR and media for them using social media. And Tim, if I may pass it over to you. Maybe you could tell us a little bit. Let's start with how you guys met and what's it like working together before we get into the main part of the show, Death is Transition.


Tim Wyatt

Well, I first met Edi around about 2008 when he was running one of his seminars at a place called Tekels Park, which used to be a facility owned by the Theosophical Society before they got rid of it. And I found his seminar absolutely fantastic. And the thing that I remember most distinctly about it is his advice. And he said, avoid negative people.


And at that point, I did have one or two rather negative people in my life, but I took his advice and they were no longer a part of my life for much longer after that. And I think I benefited hugely from that advice. So I shall always remain very grateful to Edi  for that.


Edi Bilimoria 

Thank you, Tim.


Anne - THAT DEATH SHOW

It's beautiful. Thank you. Thank you. And now they work together. We all kind of try to do our thing. Again, they allow the spotlight to remain on the teachings, not the individuals. So here are two, to me, humble, beautiful, gentle souls in service to humanity. And today, since death, that's the theme of our show. Our favourite chapter, well, one of mine is, I'm positive, Tim loves it too. We talk about it all the time. It's from volume two of Unfolding Consciousness. And these are, there's,


Edi Bilimoria

Yeah.


Anne - THAT DEATH SHOW 

three volumes really, and then the fourth one is the appendix. But the volume two is from Peering Down the Microscope, Man's Internal Landscapes. Now chapter five, again, is Death is Transition, Time at the Door of Eternity. I love that chapter. absolutely love it. There's so much about that chapter here on this channel. Edi covers it all as best he can. Reincarnation is a three-stage process.


Death is not extinction. We don't end. We're eternal energy. He explains the esoteric science behind apparitions, the composition of man, heaven and hell were redefined. There's so much there, but I wanted to start before we get too far into that. Eddie, there's a question from a viewer and we could do a whole series on this, but the question is, Dr. Edi mentions three elements, body, soul, and spirit.


He asks, I wonder if Edi could elaborate on this. What are these three distinct elements? What's the difference between the body, soul and spirit? In your words, Edi , please.


Edi Bilimoria

the difference between them before that, can I say, Anne, how grateful I am to you for that wonderful introduction. And also it was a great privilege meeting Tim at Tekels Park. still remember that memorable occasion. And subsequently, I've been absolutely full of admiration for the way Tim can encapsulate these deep, abstruse and esoteric truths.


in a language that is so accessible and so lucid. And that of course includes the way Tim describes death in his wonderful film. But to come back to the question, how does one distinguish? One is talking of a continuum. The best way is the advice given by all the sages by analogy by analogy with nature now if you think of water water is h2o atom of oxygen and two of hydrogen. Now that can express as ice, water and steam. So in this analogy there is an interface between steam and ice which is water. So soul is the interface between spirit and body and very often soul is mistaken for spirit but it's not.


At the lower end, soul touches body, so to speak, at the upper end, soul touches spirit. So in terms of another metaphor, think of soul as the middle management in any organisation. The middle management is the most difficult because the middle management has to interface with the workers on the shop floor and with the chief executive. So the vision of the chief executive is transmitted via the middle management to the workers. So the soul acts as this transmissive agent that brings down the potentiality of spirit such that it can be used by the physical body.


Tim Wyatt

Well, to me, everything in the universe is ensouled in some way. The soul is the vehicle that we use to negotiate the journey in and out of physical states. The soul is always there. I think one of the mistakes that humanity makes at the moment is not understanding its true soul nature. We're so focused on the body and its needs and desires and all the rest of it. We tend to forget that we have this much more


important, everlasting, eternal, recycling vehicle called the soul.


Anne - THAT DEATH SHOW 

Thank you, thank you, thank you gentlemen. Again, I will be editing this to death so we can stitch it together. It's gonna be fantastic. I really appreciate all that you're doing. This is perfect. I just don't know how to have a three-way conversation without it being convoluted. So I'm gonna do it safely. Okay. Thank you, Tim. And Eddie, I know you get this question a lot on your podcasts and in your interviews, and we've talked about it before, but how would you describe the definition of consciousness or mind. It's just so huge. How do we describe it? From your words, please.


Edi Bilimoria

I would say first of all, Anne, you can't define it because this is a serious point because any definition presupposes a logical process and logic implies intellect and the intellect is always tied down to the object so it is always partial and one-sided.


so if we turn it around consciousness cannot be defined it is an experience that can be put into many words if i ask you or anyone to define love you can't if i journey to Bingley where Tim lives beautiful place or to Totnes or close to where Anne lives


I couldn't define my journey, I could describe it. So it is an experience. And the great problem in science is working through the intellect, we get stuck with definitions. You can define something that is an object. Now the intellect can neither prove nor disprove God, the divine or anything because these things are


infinite, they are beyond the finite parameters which intellect deals with. So we describe consciousness, we express it, but we can't define it other than to talk about sentience love experience awareness emotion all of these terms are fractals so to speak that add up to the totality of the experience


Tim Wyatt

Well, I think one of the very valuable things that Edi has done in his work and it follows on from the work of many other people is to get rid of this idea that consciousness is somehow just stuck in our heads and that it is an epiphenomenon or a byproduct of the electrochemical activity going on in the brain. This is why science has such a difficulty with it because it can't see beyond the materialistic paradigm


It cannot accept that consciousness can exist without some physical vehicle to conduct that consciousness. And this is where Eddie's work is so vitally important in extending mind beyond the brain. mean, human intellect is a fantastic achievement, but as Edi mentioned earlier on, we do run the danger sometimes of being imprisoned by that very faculty.


Anne - THAT DEATH SHOW

Humanity often wants proof, prove to me that there's a God and then I'll believe it. I'll believe it when I see it. And I just, don't understand why we keep looking outside of ourselves. Is the brain, gentlemen, would you say, we've talked about this before, but Eddie, is the brain a receiver, a sender or both?


Edi Bilimoria

Sender of what?


Anne - THAT DEATH SHOW 

thought.


Edi Bilimoria: The human brain….

is but it's not a generator it acts as a conduit and just coming back very quickly to definitions you have white light shone through a prism and you've got the colours the prism in this analogy is the brain the prism does not generate the colours it refracts the colours now if one colour is red, another colour is violet. You can't define red, you can say what the frequency is, but just saying a frequency as a number in no way would convey the experience of seeing red. So in this way a number is very limited, the quantitative approach is very limited in its ability to talk about the experiential and the qualitative.



Tim Wyatt (15:28.448)

One of the difficulties is that if we start looking on the idea that the brain generates thoughts rather than being a processor, that excludes the idea that people receive thoughts from beyond themselves. You've only got to look at the great creative people of history, be it Pythagoras, Leonardo da Vinci, Einstein, anybody who is created mathematically, scientifically, musically.


And they are quite clear that they don't generate these musical notes or these ideas. They are the receiver of them from a much wider repository beyond themselves. And this is the area that fascinates me. And I know that it fascinates Edi too.


Edi Bilimoria

the brain in that way is a there is a transmission process through the brain and the brain in in that sense is like a reducing valve that the more relaxed the mind state the wider is the valve and the more it lets through so a high brain state actually narrows the flow of creativity through the valve so to speak using that analogy…



Anne - 

So can I expand on that or understand the more relaxed the brain is, the more we're letting go of our own, what we believe are our own thoughts, the more we're receptive to that universal consciousness coming through, correct?


Edi Bilimoria (16:53.405)

Exactly.


Yes, yes, yes, exactly.


Anne 

You explained something not long ago about what thoughts are. People want to know what thoughts are. We think this internal dialogue is ourselves and belongs solely to us and they flit away. Would you mind, explaining your beautiful definition of what thoughts actually are, please?


Edi Bilimoria

Well, I think I said a long time ago that we call thoughts into being. So depending on our internal state, we summon up the appropriate thoughts, so to speak, which is more to do with the elemental life, which I am sure Tim could talk a great deal about.


So if our internal state is one of jealousy or hatred, then we will call into being the thought that is appropriate to our internal state. If our internal state is one of love and compassion, then the thought we will call into being will be commensurate with that state. So we call these energies, think of thought as an energy.


and we give that energy shape and form by our internal state and that is to do a lot with the elemental life which is a huge subject and I know Tim's a very erudite on the whole subject of elementals.

.


Tim Wyatt 

It's often said in a number of esoteric traditions that thoughts are things, not the way that the table that I'm sitting at or the car parked on my drive is a thing in that sense. It is much more rarefied matter. I think what we have to understand is that we have more than one mind. We have a lower mind attached to our lower selves, which is often described as the desire mind, because it's often fuelled by our emotions and what we want to achieve.


what we want to do and are basically our desires of one sort or another. We also have a higher mind which is attached to the higher self. And this is a mind which is able to conceptualise and to appreciate such things as noble truths and beauty and that sort of thing. But even beyond that, even beyond the intellectual faculty that we both, that we all have is a higher principle.


And this is what I suspect artists and creative people tap into. And this is the wisdom intuition principle, which allows us ultimately access to a vast world of ideas way beyond ourselves, but which we can tap into and which we can access and which are not ultimately filtered through the intellectual mind, but through a much higher process than that. And this is something that human beings are now starting to develop in, I think, a very major way.


Anne - THAT DEATH SHOW

This information is so important. It is so important to get that out there into the world. I'm so grateful to have you two here with us today on that death show, which is really a project that all of us are here because talking about death, it seems like why are we so obsessed with death? Why are we so passionate about understanding death? All of us. Many would ask how understanding death and talking about death all the time could lead to a better life or a more fulfilling life. Edi, would you explain why this chapter in the second book, Death is Transition, Time at the Door of Eternity, Tim's film, The Myth of Death, why is it important that we understand death? How does that help us in life, Edi?


Edi Bilimoria -

It helps us understand life in the sense that if you understand how I live my life today, I can far better plan and look forward to how I will live my life tomorrow. And it's an old saying in the esoteric tradition that to understand the process of death, understand the process of waking life and sleeping life.


so to speak. The other point is that people are so obsessed with this idea of death because deep down within every person there is that eternal spark of divinity, for want of better terms, which is uncomfortable with the dictates of materialistic science that death is extinction. So whatever


science tells us human beings are not happy with it because that inner core within us realises that we have a mortal body but there is an immortal aspect and death is only the sloughing off of the mortal coil


Tim Wyatt

problem arises here because our definition of life is so narrow. We only accept that life can exist within a physical form. Many people, although they believe in the survival of the soul in some form, and some even believe in reincarnation, they find it very hard to accept the idea that once the physical body dies, something of equal importance


Edi Bilimoria

Yes, good one.


Tim Wyatt

remains. And this is why we go to war against death, which is a ludicrous thing to do, just the way that we've gone to war against nature. You we think in our human hubris that we can somehow defy death. And this is why people spend stupid amounts of money getting themselves frozen after death in the hope that they can be revived from their cryogenic sloth at some point in the future.



Anne - THAT DEATH SHOW 


Thank you, Tim. And the definition of consciousness, we've quoted you several times on this, Eddie. You say consciousness expresses itself as matter, as matter, not in matter.


Edi Bilimoria

Yes, not in matter. Yes, that as matter, I mean, it is an appearance and expression of consciousness.


Anne - THAT DEATH SHOW

Would you mind elaborating on that for us, please?


Edi Bilimoria 

in the same way if we look at a rainbow it is not an object it is a phenomena and we come back to this problem with definitions we confuse the objective with the phenomenal so a rainbow is not an object you can't put it in a box like you can put you know a glass of water in a box so to speak


So the rainbow presents water droplets present as a rainbow, but they're not a rainbow. And I'm not splitting hairs there because it depends. It's really a question of the laws of refraction of optics and also the neurochemical processes in the human being. And also the non-physical bodies that convert that neurochemical experience, data, so to speak, into a living experience. So, as matter means an appearance, not a product. Yeah, yeah, Yeah, absolutely. Yeah.


Anne - THAT DEATH SHOW 

And of everything, everything then is conscious. Everything is consciousness. Tim, your thoughts on that, please.


Tim Wyatt

way I see it is that there is nothing but consciousness in the entire universe that we can observe and that which we can't observe and that matter, the hard physical stuff in the world in front of us, which is not hard and physical at all, it's mainly empty space. But this is consciousness stepped down to its lowest level, if you like. And this idea that Edi proposes that consciousness came first, that consciousness is the essential building block of all existence within the universe is a very powerful, very persuasive thought. And I wish more people would consider this because it explains so much about ourselves and the mysteries of life and the world.


Anne -

Imagine if we walked around like that and understanding that everything that there is, is consciousness, just like we are, the unity of everything. It would change the way we behave. It would actually change the world. And that's why I think it's very important that we get this information out there. We also wanted to touch on with you, Edi, in Death is Transition, Time at the Door of Eternity, you do explain, and we did a little bit on this a while back. about the eighth sphere and what we call Avitchi  I wanted to ask you about, is there a hell in esoteric science, perennial philosophy, and can you describe what evil is for us, please?


Edi Bilimoria

Well, there isn't a hell in the Christian or orthodox sense of a place of eternal damnation. The best way to look at hell is a state of very coarse and a low vibration of consciousness. So the more a person is cut away or cut off from his higher self, the more


the consciousness is dragged down into its cautious levels, so to speak. But in terms of evil, there isn't an independent principle of evil. And people will find this hard to believe or to accept. But if there were an independent principle of evil, in other words, a duality,


How can a duality come without an underlying unity? So there is a famous chapter in Madame Blavatsky's secret doctrine, “Demon est Deus inversus". So evil is the rotten side, the inverse side of God, so to speak.


Think in terms of another analogy of a beautiful fruit on the tree, if you leave it long enough, it turns unripe and pretty foul. It didn't start off that way. So look at evil in terms of that sort of process of getting overripe when everything starts off pure and beautiful.



Tim Wyatt

Well, people always associate hell with something that happens after you die, but we are very good as human beings at creating hells on earth. And I absolutely agree with Edi that hell and evil and all these associated negativities are just the lowest vibrational states. And these low vibrational states happen because we are largely disconnected from...



Tim Wyatt

true knowledge of ourselves and from the energies of the universe. We look on ourselves as these siloed individuals operating in isolation. And as soon as we get rid of those barriers and start to look on things in a more collective and connected way, we immediately raise our consciousness and our ability to create and participate in these hells is reduced by doing that, I suggest.


Edi Bilimoria

That's perfectly expressed him. couldn't agree more. And in fact, the Northern Buddhists use the term my Alba, which is earth, which is a place of hell in the sense not blazing fires of furnaces, but a place not so much of punishment, but of learning, of learning to put right the misdeeds of former lives or this life,

and one only has to see the underlying cause behind evil which is the association with oneself, one's country, one's totalitarian dictator, one's nation, it's always my mind, me, me, me. Now when a man says, I quote, I quote,


We have weapons of mass destruction and we will not fail to use them if needed. That is a very low vibration statement because it fails to recognise that we, meaning we Russians, are of the same eternal substance as you Americans, as you Indians, as you Chinese. So it's cutting off one's consciousness.


from the totality of consciousness, which science has shown exists at a very deep level. And that's the wonderful contribution of quantum physics. So science has so much to teach us. If only the scientists would take note of what the scientists are saying, let alone the politicians who are utterly crude in their thinking in the main, because the consciousness in...totally sectarian and therefore troublesome.


Anne - THAT DEATH SHOW

What about, I often when I watch the news and I see what's happening or if I do see something, I think about what the karmic debt would be for that much cruelty, selfishness, just awful. thinking that that is such a huge thing, what we're doing to one another. You will find out when you cross to the other side, you talk about in unfolding consciousness, the role of parent and child, the higher and the lower self.


Edi Bilimoria

Yeah.


Anne - THAT DEATH SHOW


And you've also explained that sometimes when people are so dark and choose the ultimate selfish path of cruelty and greed and all that, and they just can't, the higher self can't seem to get the personality under control, there is a recycling that takes place. It isn't a damnation, all is not lost, but it's a recycling. Would you mind explaining a little bit about that?


Edi Bilimoria



Yeah, it's a recycling in the sense that when the personality is through consistent evil, it gets cut off from the umbilical connection with the higher self.


higher self as parent and when the higher self as parent can no longer discipline its child the personality there is a severance of that connection and then there is the path of absolute decline into the state of Avicii and then the eighth sphere but the higher self then has to start that journey right


all through again, all through the kingdoms of nature. So the analogy given in the Eastern literature is a farmer who is happy to let his labourers till the field, and if they bring even one sheaf of corn back, he is happy to let them get on with the job. But when there is nothing left, then the field is abandoned.


and the farmer has to seek a new field.


Anne -

So it's absorbed until the next Manvantara? Is that what I'm understanding to go through mineral… Gotcha.


Edi Bilimoria

Exactly so into the next cycle of existence yes the next cycle yeah


Anne - THAT DEATH SHOW

So that's the eighth sphere, which would be equivalent to.


Edi Bilimoria

The eighth sphere, the eighth planet, is nature's recycling facility, so to speak. And we have recycling on Earth, and nature has their own recycling. That which is filthy beyond redemption is recycled and then just got rid of.


Anne - THAT DEATH SHOW

God, that's really well said. It's perfect…to try again and another evolution of breath of life. Tim, what are your thoughts on that?


Edi Bilimoria

Yeah.


Tim Wyatt 

We are told that this is relatively speaking quite rare and you have to go to extreme measures through many lives and be disconnected over a long period of time. It's not like someone from the church saying, well, you committed this sin, so you're going to go to hell or anything like that. That's just a Christian interpretation of these things. And in fact, one of the things that people do confuse, we were talking about hell earlier on,


Edi Bilimoria

Yes.


Edi Bilimoria

you


Tim Wyatt

And obviously in the secret doctrine, in the esoteric tradition, we do talk about this place that we go to after we die, the astral plane, which is a kind of refinery in itself. It's there to process some of the more extreme emotions that we've had and to store up the best of ourselves and get rid of the worst. So it's like an oil refinery taking crude oil and then turn it into all sorts of different products.


But I think sometimes this has become conflated in some people's minds, particularly in the minds of some Christian people with a kind of hell itself. Christianity talks about a purgatory. Well, purgatory, as far as I understand, is simply a purification process, a period of assessment and reconstruction.


Edi Bilimoria

Absolutely. Purgatory is taking a shower after a hard day's work and then cleansing one's body and mind for another hard day's work.


Anne - THAT DEATH SHOW

Mm-hmm, it's a cycle that does not end. We have one last question before we wrap it up here because we want them to want more, In chapter five in volume two, you do explain, and Tim and I have done a couple shows on this before Tim's explained, what is it that we are seeing when we see a misted apparition or a shadow person? I know we don't have a lot of time, but what is it when we see a ghost? Edi Billimoria.


Edi Bilimoria

Yeah.


Edi Bilimoria

When we see a ghost, it depends also on our internal state and our sensitivity. We can be in a highly tuned state and be receptive to these higher ethereal beings. But I would say very simply that ghosts...


emanate or appear for various reasons. The most easily seen ghost, if I can put it that way, is just after a person has died, where even a slightly sensitive person will see an ethereal mist above the body or around the body, and these spectral images can and have been photographed. The other


ghost, so to speak, the apparition is what's known as the the Kama Rrupa, the discarded psychic body, which can be attracted to to Earth for various reasons if its energies are still unspent and it is drawn to the terrestrial sphere. And those ghosts appear


in places that are familiar to it, such as the family home. And it is no surprise that during World War II, many of such apparitions of soldiers killed on the battlefield appeared in the family bedroom. And it is, it doesn't take much to see that in that circumstance.


the dying thoughts of a soldier on the battlefield would be his parents, his mother, and all the time his mother and parents would send loving thoughts to their son on the battlefield. So that acts as very powerful attraction for a discarded individual that has not had time to process his life because he's been cut off in full flow. And when you're cut off in full flow,


Edi Bilimoria

you have not been given the benefit of that processing that Tim has mentioned, the purgatory, the refining process. And so one is earthbound and drawn back to the terrestrial sphere.


Anne - THAT DEATH SHOW

any thoughts on that?


Tim Wyatt

Well, yes, people may have all sorts of connections to the physical plane, business undone, things which they feel still need to be dealt with, responsibilities for other people. So this would explain a lot why some individuals are reluctant to move on. But it's very, very common for people to witness dead relatives in the hours and days after their death.


either in physical form or ethereal form, or very often in dreams. I know a number of individuals over the past year who've lost close relatives, and these lost relatives have come to them very quickly after their physical deaths in dreams, mainly to assure them that they're okay, that they are still in existence. And I think this is a very, very healthy thing, and it's not something people should be frightened of at all.


Edi Bilimoria

Mm.


Tim Wyatt

it's quite the opposite. think it is a matter of great reassurance. And in fact, this is why the Spiritualist Movement grew up in America after 660,000 soldiers died in four years. And so many women especially wanted to know what had happened to their sons and husbands and uncles and other members of the family, because it was obviously principally men who died in that. And that movement was very, very important in providing that.


Edi Bilimoria

Yes.


Tim Wyatt

reassurance, even though many of the things it believes in were slightly wacky and distorted, it nevertheless provided a great deal of comfort for people and still does.


Edi Bilimoria

Yeah.


Edi Bilimoria

Mm.


Anne - THAT DEATH SHOW

Hmm, it does. There are so many paranormal channels, so many shows and podcasts, but they stop at the, I've seen this, it was so scary. Very rarely do they investigate further and find out it is all leading right back to consciousness and who you are and what you are. There's so much there. Thank you so much, gentlemen. Any final thoughts before we close this episode?


Edi Bilimoria 

Yeah.



Edi Bilimoria

Death also is the ending of the past in time. This is something that Krishnamurti used to talk about very eloquently when I heard him so often in Brockwood Park. That time and death are coupled. So as Krishnamurti put it, death is the ending of the past caught in time.


so the more one can live in the present moment one is constantly being reborn from moment to moment


Anne - THAT DEATH SHOW

Yes.


Tim.


Tim Wyatt 

Well, all I would say about death is that it provides the ultimate career opportunity, doesn't it? You know, we've finished this job. We have a little bit of time off on the inner planes, depending on who we are and what our requirements are. And then we have to come back and do it all again. But all of us, whether we like it or not, are creating our next lives right now, just the way that our lives now have been shaped by those lives we've led before. So...


Edi Bilimoria 

Beautifully put.



Tim Wyatt

the more we can do to lead good lives and not do bad stuff, then the better the career opportunity next time round, hopefully.


Edi Bilimoria

and the richer your life on earth, the richer will be your post-mortem experience.


Anne - THAT DEATH SHOW

very. And you're not talking monetary riches, you're talking about the richer you live, the internal work. Yeah. Yeah. Okay.


Edi Bilimoria

absolutely yes definitely Mr. Billionaire you will not get your yacht and jet plane. It's only your inner riches. It's only your inner riches.


Anne - THAT DEATH SHOW


No, you can't take it with you and it's all, that's right. Thank you, thank you, thank you, gentlemen. Remember Unfolding Consciousness. Now listen, there's a four volume hardback set out right now. It is available all over, all right? And there are eBooks online on Amazon. But if you want the hardback copy of Edi Bilamoria's “Unfolding Consciousness, Exploring the Living Universe and the Intelligent Powers in Nature and Humans”, if you order through the Shepheard-Walwyn website and they have a US and a UK distributor,  Just type in, want my copy in capitals with an exclamation mark. I'll put it down below. You get 25 pounds or $25 off your purchase. So remember, Consciousness came first, revealing evidence for universal intelligence.


and mind beyond the brain. That will be out again in December. Don't forget to check out Tim's Substack. I love that Edi loves Tim's Substack. I'd like to get Edi a Substack too. I'm trying to get him there. I think it would be fantastic right now. Check out Tim's Substack. It is called The Esoteric Perspective. It goes hand in hand with everything you see on this show and it's free to join. And don't forget about the reason that we're sitting here, which is we got together when Tim did this show, we thought there's not enough stuff about this.


There's the scary paranormal stuff, but no one's ever talking about what happens after death. All right, what's the esoteric science say? The show, documentary is sweeping film festivals actually, and it is free to watch on the At That Death Show YouTube channel. It is called The Myth of Death. So congratulations on all those film festival recognitions. There's still more coming in. Watch it for free and remember to get your copy of everyone's Book of the Dead on firewheelbooks.co.uk. thank you.


Edi Bilimoria

That's a wonderful book of Tim's, yes.


Anne - THAT DEATH SHOW

You can't get a better testimony than that. Remember, death is transition. It's not fatal. It's not final. It's not permanent. Join us and our special guests and hopefully Edi will be back here with us every Wednesday as we explore Esoteric Science's explanation of what takes place after physical death. We are eternal energy like rays of the sun. We are all sparks of the divine. And remember, we're a tiny little team. That death show is just… Tim and I, so if you can, please help us get these teachings out there to give comfort and hope to all. Please like, subscribe, share, rate, review, whatever you can do. We appreciate it. And we love you and we love you to death and beyond. So since you're eternal, we love you eternally. So thank you so much, Eddie. We love you. Thank you for being here with us. You're such a big part of this show anyway.


Edi Bilimoria

Your sub stacks are absolutely wonderful (Tim). The one you've written on your antipathy to ugliness. The reason why the Catholic Church have anathematised reincarnation. Your last post, it's really superb and I thoroughly recommend everyone reading that.


Anne - THAT DEATH SHOW

That's The Esoteric Perspective on Substack and Edi, I'm still gonna stay on top of you to get your own out there. He will be having a bot out soon. I'm not gonna say too much, but it will be a conscious bot. And that'll be coming from Edi Bilimoria with the folks from Buddha at the Gas Pump. And we love them all over there too. So these two bringing these teachings out into the world in service to humanity, letting the spotlight remain on the esoteric principles, not themselves. I love them dearly.


Edi Bilimoria

Yeah.


Anne - THAT DEATH SHOW

Ladies and gentlemen, Edi Bilimoria, Dr. B as Tim calls him. We'd love to have you back as often as you wish, Eddie. You're always welcome here. We love you and we will see you next week. Next week, Tim and I will be back to talk about the death of civilisations and empires. So have a fantastic week. Love you. See you everybody. Bye-bye.


Edi Bilimoria

Mmm, that's wonderful. We're seeing plenty of that now. Thank you. Bye.


Tim Wyatt

Bye bye.